Weekend Listening Post
Jun. 23rd, 2024 11:22 pmThere is no way that I am going to catch up the Things I Have Listened To since July 2023 (and that was after a long absence).
But let us note some things:
1. Pursuant to some readings for my current undergrad credits, I had the question, generally, "wtf happened to the English legal system between the 13th century and 1788", and also some minor qualms about my understanding of wtf happened between the 10th and 13th centuries (because what I am seeing in Australian law textbooks does not match up with what I thought was the important throughlines of medieval law) and wtf happened between 1788 and, oh, at least 2012 (when I first worked in a legal adjacent job).
2. I have not answered all of these questions, yet. Some of them have been SOMEWHAT answered by further adventures in law textbooks. Some have been only further aggravated.
With that in mind, consider:
Law, Order and Murder from a podcast by an American entitled History of English. It was published in 2016, but even so, the terminology choices seem a bit out of date (not just the use of "anglo-saxon" but "tribal"???). Upon investigation the host is an attorney, which explains why the history of law bits seem pretty solid, to an undergraduate level, while the social history is... not the best I would hope for undergrads, let's say. BUT, bear in mind that my undergrad English training was hyperfocused on pre-1066 (with a couple of begrudging - but lifechanging - later Middle English units), while my history components were very continental. I have a lot of legal histoy knowledge but all the post 1066 stuff is about sex law, and hence focused on the canon vs secular law divide. This is NOT the binary that one is asked about in Law100. This particular podcast doesn't even address the common : equity law divide but DOES fill in a lot of gaps that the textbook does not (but which I have enough knowledge to see and be itched by) about Angevin adminstrative reform and the development of canon law.
I cannot find any good podcast on the early courts of equity, because if I search of "chanxery court" or "history of law equity" I get all AMERICAN results. Boo hiss. So let's just skip over the 15th to early 17th c, I guess, like the worst of textbooks. And onward to my next point of interest:
Preuludes to the English Civil War, but with emphasis on, a) the Inns of Court and b) high church Anglicans. My two favourite kinds of pedants: lawyers and anglo-catholics. Behold, A whole podcast about that. I'm still not sure who Arminius is, but I can definitely use "Arminian" in a sentence. I'm also using this podcast for its Facts with my greatest Paranoid Reading haton, because podcasts that begin with a homage to QEII are to be commended for their accessible Facts and presumed conservative in their analysis.
Now, I had another question: why did I think that I knew a different name for "the basis of law in continental europe" compared to what the law textbooks keep giving me. They say civil law, I say, yes, but there's a more History word... the word is Salic Law. I have bookmarked some podcasts on the 14th century developments of the Salic Law, which may make me a, a better historian (too late) and b, better placed to nitpick my intro law readings.
Keane J's lecture for the Selden Society (2015) on >Sir Edward Coke. I am 1/4 of the way through it. My only comment so far is : per Keane J, Coke (pron cook), had a deeply Protestant resentment of all things continental, and especially the Courts of Equity.
Two questions arising, which I suspect the podcast will not answer because those contextual notes were tossed off as into as if everyone would understand:
1. What is the continental influence in the Courts of Equity? If significant enough for Coke to care, why do the Law100 textbooks not care?
2. Protestants. There were lots of them in Europe. SURELY one cannot do ultra-protestantism without getting big into some kinds of continental influence?
I suspect Keane J of using "continental" and "European" as a shorthand for "Catholic", but if so, that makes q 1 much more fascinating..
Meanwhile: please accept a musical recommendation
Let's not try to psychoanalyse the details of my parasocial vibing with Beth McCarthy, okay.
Let us also not try to pschoanalyse my strong enthusiasm for the song "Women and Sandwiches", from Freaky Friday The Musical (for schools). TBH the version on YouTube is not as compelling - I think I liked the y 10 kid from my sister's school's voice better, and the director & costume designers had gone for (apparently) a big "Taylor Swift Eras" vibe. My impression of this character, when he's wearing a spiky-but-sparkly vest, is quite different to the Miscellaneous Guy In Flannel in this smoothly-produced-and-uploaded version:
Also, in Freaky Friday the Musical, when the mom character asks her catering offsider to un-resign, the offsider says, fervently, "I wish I could quit you". I asked Ms15 if that wasin the original script. Ms15 says yes. I says: "well I know what age group THAT script writer was in and they're probably gay".
I then had to try to explain to both Mum and Ms15 (the worst combo audience) why that was funny.
I was the only person in the audience cackling at that line. And the gen z actors didn't even know to expect it.
Such are my burdens.
But let us note some things:
1. Pursuant to some readings for my current undergrad credits, I had the question, generally, "wtf happened to the English legal system between the 13th century and 1788", and also some minor qualms about my understanding of wtf happened between the 10th and 13th centuries (because what I am seeing in Australian law textbooks does not match up with what I thought was the important throughlines of medieval law) and wtf happened between 1788 and, oh, at least 2012 (when I first worked in a legal adjacent job).
2. I have not answered all of these questions, yet. Some of them have been SOMEWHAT answered by further adventures in law textbooks. Some have been only further aggravated.
With that in mind, consider:
I cannot find any good podcast on the early courts of equity, because if I search of "chanxery court" or "history of law equity" I get all AMERICAN results. Boo hiss. So let's just skip over the 15th to early 17th c, I guess, like the worst of textbooks. And onward to my next point of interest:
Now, I had another question: why did I think that I knew a different name for "the basis of law in continental europe" compared to what the law textbooks keep giving me. They say civil law, I say, yes, but there's a more History word... the word is Salic Law. I have bookmarked some podcasts on the 14th century developments of the Salic Law, which may make me a, a better historian (too late) and b, better placed to nitpick my intro law readings.
Two questions arising, which I suspect the podcast will not answer because those contextual notes were tossed off as into as if everyone would understand:
1. What is the continental influence in the Courts of Equity? If significant enough for Coke to care, why do the Law100 textbooks not care?
2. Protestants. There were lots of them in Europe. SURELY one cannot do ultra-protestantism without getting big into some kinds of continental influence?
I suspect Keane J of using "continental" and "European" as a shorthand for "Catholic", but if so, that makes q 1 much more fascinating..
Meanwhile: please accept a musical recommendation
Let's not try to psychoanalyse the details of my parasocial vibing with Beth McCarthy, okay.
Let us also not try to pschoanalyse my strong enthusiasm for the song "Women and Sandwiches", from Freaky Friday The Musical (for schools). TBH the version on YouTube is not as compelling - I think I liked the y 10 kid from my sister's school's voice better, and the director & costume designers had gone for (apparently) a big "Taylor Swift Eras" vibe. My impression of this character, when he's wearing a spiky-but-sparkly vest, is quite different to the Miscellaneous Guy In Flannel in this smoothly-produced-and-uploaded version:
Also, in Freaky Friday the Musical, when the mom character asks her catering offsider to un-resign, the offsider says, fervently, "I wish I could quit you". I asked Ms15 if that wasin the original script. Ms15 says yes. I says: "well I know what age group THAT script writer was in and they're probably gay".
I then had to try to explain to both Mum and Ms15 (the worst combo audience) why that was funny.
I was the only person in the audience cackling at that line. And the gen z actors didn't even know to expect it.
Such are my burdens.